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October 29, 2018 - High School Scheduling Committee

Agenda

4:00--4:02

  • Review Meeting Minutes from Previous Meeting
  • Approve Meeting Minutes 

4:02-4:07

  • Review of Proposed 7 period Day
MONDAY   TUESDAY   WEDNESDAY   THURSDAY   FRIDAY
1st - 8:00am-8:50am
2nd - 8:55am-9:45am
3rd - 9:50am-10:40am
4th - 10:45am-11:35am
        11:20am-12:20pm
5th - 12:15pm-1:05pm
6th - 1:10pm - 2:00pm
7th - 2:05pm-2:55pm
    1st - 8:00am-9:20am
FLEX - 9:20am-9:55am
3rd - 10:00am-11:20am
TV - 11:20am-11:30am
5th - 11:35am-12:55pm
        12:10pm-1:30pm
7th - 1:35pm-2:55pm
    2nd - 10:10am-11:30am
4th - 11:35am-12:55pm
        12:10pm-1:30pm
6th - 1:35pm-2:55pm
FLEX - 2:55pm-3:45pm
    1st - 8:00am-8:50am
2nd - 8:55am-9:45am
3rd - 9:50am-10:40am
4th - 10:45am-11:35am
        11:20am-12:20pm
5th - 12:15pm-1:05pm
6th - 1:10pm - 2:00pm
7th - 2:05pm-2:55pm
   

1st - 8:00am-8:45am
FLEX - 8:45am-9:20am
2nd - 9:25am-10:10am
3rd - 10:15am-11:00am
4th - 11:05am-11:50am
        11:40am-12:25pm
5th - 12:30pm-1:15pm
6th - 1:20pm-2:05pm
7th - 2:10pm-2:55pm


4:07 – 4:09

  • Note from Technical Team – we will get options to choose vetted by Nov. 13 (fiscal, 1080, contract).

4:09 – 5:30

  • Discussion
    • Can we narrow the field?
    • 7 or 8?
    • Flex – with, without?
    • If with, how often? Min and Max of any flex minutes would be approved by the District Office.
  • Guiding Questions
    • Which schedule has the most merit?
    • Which schedule do you feel best about recommending and why?
    • Every person talks – Ruth will monitor time limits by person
    • Donna Hood records ideas
    • Patterns?

5:30 – 5:40 Break

5:40 – 7:00 Continued discussion

High School Scheduling Committee Team Members

  • Andrea McCormick (Principal, Issaquah High School)
  • Sean Martin (Principal, Liberty High School)
  • Alicia Mitchell (Assistant Principal, Skyline High School)
  • Jen Martinson (Counselor, Issaquah High School)
  • Henry Level (English Teacher, Liberty High School)
  • Ami Williams (Math Teacher, Skyline High School)
  • Mark Buchli (IEA Representative and Science Teacher, Liberty High School)
  • Stacy Heller (Parent Representative, Issaquah High School)
  • Mitzi Widdows (Parent Representative, Liberty High School)
  • Shawna Borichewski (Parent Representative, Skyline High School)

Technical Team

  • Josh Almy (Deputy Superintendent)
  • Donna Hood (Principal, Skyline High School and Incoming Executive Director of High School Education)
  • Martin Turney (Executive Director of Operations)
  • Ruth Moen (Group Facilitator) 

Meeting Minutes

Attendees: Andrea McCormick (Principal, Issaquah High School), Sean Martin (Principal, Liberty High School), Alicia Mitchell (Assistant Principal, Skyline High School), Jen Martinson (Counselor, Issaquah High School), Henry Level (English Teacher, Liberty High School), Ami Williams (Math Teacher, Skyline High School), Mark Buchli (IEA Representative and Science Teacher, Liberty High School), Stacy Heller (Parent Representative, Issaquah High School), Mitzi Widdows (Parent Representative, Liberty High School), Shawna Borichewski (Parent Representative, Skyline High School), Josh Almy (Deputy Superintendent), Donna Hood (Principal, Skyline High School and Incoming Executive Director of High School Education), Martin Turney (Executive Director of Operations), Ruth Moen (Group Facilitator)

4:00--4:02

  • Review Meeting Minutes from Previous Meeting
    • Minutes approved

4:02--4:07

Review of Proposed 7 day period from Issaquah - Jen and Andrea created a mock schedule. Staff input was solicited at ISHS. This feedback was used to generate a schedule which integrates the components which were interesting to the committee.

MONDAY TUESDAY WEDNESDAY THURSDAY FRIDAY
1st - 8:00am-8:50am
2nd - 8:55am-9:45am
3rd - 9:50am-10:40am
4th - 10:45am-11:35am
11:20am-12:20pm
5th - 12:15pm-1:05pm
6th - 1:10pm - 2:00pm
7th - 2:05pm-2:55pm
1st - 8:00am-9:20am
FLEX - 9:20am-9:55am
3rd - 10:00am-11:20am
TV - 11:20am-11:30am
5th - 11:35am-12:55pm
12:10pm-1:30pm
7th - 1:35pm-2:55pm
2nd - 10:10am-11:30am
4th - 11:35am-12:55pm
12:10pm-1:30pm
6th - 1:35pm-2:55pm
FLEX - 2:55pm-3:45pm
1st - 8:00am-8:50am
2nd - 8:55am-9:45am
3rd - 9:50am-10:40am
4th - 10:45am-11:35am
11:20am-12:20pm
5th - 12:15pm-1:05pm
6th - 1:10pm - 2:00pm
7th - 2:05pm-2:55pm

1st - 8:00am-8:45am
FLEX - 8:45am-9:20am
2nd - 9:25am-10:10am
3rd - 10:15am-11:00am
4th - 11:05am-11:50am
11:40am-12:25pm
5th - 12:30pm-1:15pm
6th - 1:20pm-2:05pm
7th - 2:10pm-2:55pm

 
 

4:07 – 4:09

  • Note from Technical Team – we will get options to choose vetted by Nov. 13 (fiscal, 1080, contract).
    • Community input sessions were very informative. Thank you to all who participated.
    • Josh will continue to provide community feedback

Input from the committee:

4:09 – 5:10

  • Discussion

Sean--Principal

  •  the 4x8 or A/B Block very popular in my community; allows for support class, credit retrieval; satisfies CORE 24
  • 8 years at LHS
  • Meets charter
  • Pros--
    • Depth of blocks
    • Concept, lab, take it down, analysis
    • Debate/discussion, analyze text, begin writing
    • Multiple phases of the lesson
  • Cons--
    • Frequency of seeing a teacher? Could some of these other models allow for that?
    • Stress/anxiety? How do we balance that on an 8 period A/B; for some kids it's a lot of classes

Henry--teacher

  • Community response very clear; want a 4x8
  • Polled staff; 53% want to keep 4x8
  • 12% want Tahoma version with power hour
  • 35% want some form of 7 period
  • Concerns--
    • what happens to electives if we reduce the overall number of electives?
    • What if I end up with only 3 classes to teach?
    • We are smaller and we are concerned that we have full-time positions b/c of the 8 period day and would lose them if a period is cut
  • Pros--
    • 5 of 7 appealing
    • Workload may feel better and that could turn into what can I do for my students now that I could not do before?
  • Flex--
    • Open to flex, curious
    • Concern--how would students use the time
    • Power hour seemed too loose maybe for them
    • Positive use? That would be great
    • Would SEL be mandated by district or school? No, thank you.
    • Time to work, make up tests, take care of assemblies, surveys, yes!
  • Biggest challenge--how much academic time we have; coverage

Stacy--parent IHS

  • Narrower view point as a parent; only know what my kids have experienced
  • 8 period has symmetry--7 periods + a shorter flex time? Is that possible?
  • A block set on M, T, Th and F with only core classes meeting on Wed.?? Is this possible?
  • What would the impact be on LHS kids to change?
  • Surprised by the freak out over flex time
  • Concerns about focus on SEL--we are dreaming if we think they will engage in canned SEL; they want to know how to apply for a job, to college, how to open a checking account. Some obligatory SEL--fine. Could iVision be moved into this time?
  • Expansive periods of time appeals

Shawna--parent SHS

  • Blocks appealed at first
  • Subs have trouble filling it
  • Will kids just do more and be up later
  • Leaning 7 period iteration
  • Change is hard
  • Will this work for IB?
  • Feels like a waste when kids get a class they don't want and "spent" a period and credit on it
  • Concerned about taking away 8 periods from LHS
  • Does that fit? Does it have to be one size fits all?

Mitzi--parent LHS

  • Parent outcry
  • Focus on attributes and priorities; not schedules
    1. CORE 24
    2. No inequity--access cannot be about privilege or affluence
    3. Electives--enough slots to support academically focused kids; enough to support 4 year program + interest or remediation; diversity of electives
    4. Preparation for whatever is next--college, resume, job and job life
  • Like large blocks of time for extended learning
  • Fewer transitions and pass periods
  • Frenzied on a 6 period day; 7 will be worse
  • Should kids have 7 all in one day??
  • IB?
  • Flex time at IHS…let them dig in and then let us adopt what they learn instead of us all piloting

Jen--counselor at IHS

  • Contact with kids is my why
  • Listening session with teachers helped me
  • NEST allows us to intervene
  • In favor of options
  • More choice, less anxiety fitting in grad requirements if we go to 7
  • Jump from 6 to 8 would be super hard
  • Did some of our kids stay home b/c we have nothing to lose
  • District ends matter--this is how they are to be prepared + they need time to chill out
  • 7 with some flex if I had to pick right now

Ami--teacher at SHS

  • Surveyed staff as well
  • Some subjects wanted blocks and some did not
  • Art wants longer periods
  • Math wants daily contact
  • We were split on this
  • Not increasing student stress or HW or transitions--heard all this at community nights
  • Also heard that block teaches give a break during blocks
  • 8 periods would be too much; not convinced they would take relaxing electives, but would rather pack their schedules
  • 7 period modified block would make both ends happy, 4x per week contact + some blocks
  • Flex time--time to make connections with students in a small group setting; envision an advisory; relationship
  • Free time as flex time would not likely go well; they want a homeroom type deal

Alicia--AP at SHS

  • After first community night looked at 4x8 and gave it serious thought
  • Looking at contact time and other input, I went another way
  • 7 period day with modified blocks would be good with some flex time built in
  • Instructional time matters--IBO has recommended hours
  • Yes, still wanting flex time; hard to do flex time on a 4x8 schedule and hit recommended teaching hours
  • There are ways to achieve curricular hours without hitting this recommendation by minute
  • Huge cultural shift to move from 6 to 8
  • would be less stress; but if we assign more HW to make up for lost instructional time, could be not great
  • I've worked at 5 HSs and some of the schools I've worked at with 8 periods have much smaller class sizes and/or a free period
  • Looking at those is really apples to oranges
  • 9th graders do not do as well with long blocks as 12th graders do
  • Not sure everybody will get one they want

Andrea--Principal at IHS

  •  CORE 24 hard to fulfill right now
  • For a 7 period day
  • Exploration hard to do, PE a sticking point for some
  • Have not heard a preference for 8, but rather a preference for 7
  • Teachers would prefer a 6 but could live with a 7
  • Feel the community come after them for results--AP, IB, SBA
  • Less contact time means less time to keep up the same results
  • If I lose daily contact time will anyone commit in writing that my pass rates don't have to be as good??
  • WL and Math want daily contact time
  • Opposed to blocking--want to see their kids a lot--preferably 5x, can live with 4
  • Deeper learning comes from better questioning and relationships not longer blocks
  • 4x8 could mean I don't see a student for a week if s/he is sick one day and I'm sick one day
  • 7 period modified block best compromise
  • NEST--do not have lots of data yet, but the intervention piece is great! And important. We are learning about our students (physical needs, why they have an F, etc.)
  • Yes, advisory vs. loose is scary, but the results are good and they are making good choices most of the time
  • I still want this to be a priority in our schedule because I don't want to make change every year and we want to refine and reflect
  • We do have some data on SEL--rates for cheating way down, rates for angry parent emails before checking with the teacher are way down, student self-advocacy way up; still have work to do to improve engagement

Mark--IEA Rep

  • Representing whole teaching population
  • Time matters to teachers--compensation, benefits and time
  • Prep minutes at LHS--430 min per week = 2.56 min per week; 1.75 min per week at IHS and SHS
  • Did the same math for a 7 period day--the one Jen and Andrea proposed; it gives 3.21 minutes per week to all teachers!
  • PD will be needed to teach all folks how to use a block
  • Why not utilize BSD to get folks training us on this?

Ruth--Facilitator

  • Patterns?--positive response to flex time; it can work in any schedule and it can be a school culture shaper and could be determined at building level with a screening by Josh and Donna
  • Purpose for it can live at each building

Andrea--is it possible to decide where it should live in the school day? Like between which periods? Can we propose 8 period day to Ron? Can we propose 7 mod block at the other two? And let each building use the shared decision making model to determine how to use flex?

Mark and Jen both say no. It does not fit the charter.

Mark--every Wed. is a problem. On Tuesday my Chem kids get 90 min. and my Wed. Chem kids get 70 min. Contact time is also lower on the 4x8. A kid who misses one day I might see only 1x per kid. Our ASB person impacts A days and B days equally but over the course of a year. Interruptions do not level out for weeks or months. It's the teachers who have to do all the adjusting. The kids do not notice. I love the 90 min for lab and I came from a school on a block and I learned how to divide up my period there, but not at LHS. 

Ruth--how learning is executed matters. John Hattie says this in Visible Learning

Jen--notes that LHS with fewer staff will be the ones that have the least prep if we stay on the 4x8; but LHS teachers carry more students overall

Andrea--my teachers definitely do not want to teach 6 of 8; that's why they haven't brought it up

Ami--contact time; LHS will be this far behind us; Mark concurs…in just a few months we are way behind

Jen--yes, district level PD then is uneven and you're not all at the same space, place

Henry--1/3 of the staff want a 7; he goes to the model Andrea brought. Question about iVision placement--totally about the culture. Why odds and evens for blocks? Some discussion about staff who can be there in the morning OR afternoon; students who attend Running Start and WaNIC.

Stacy--don't overcomplicate things

Andrea--fewest absences on T and W so that's why we put blocks there; each day has two lunches; put flex after 6th on Wed. b/c of student athlete pullouts; see teaches at beginning and end of every week; Friday has 45 min. periods, 80 min. T and W; rest are 50 min. (Josh clarifying); TV not every day--1x per week if we go to a 7 period; flex right now long enough to make up a test, but lengthening it would help hence this proposal. You want the T and W blocks to have the same amount of time. 80 min. did that.

5:10 – 5:20 Break

5:20 – 6:35 Discussion

  • Discussion:

Mark loves to hear the attendance data

Ami like the flex on Wed. b/c of athletics

Henry--75% at LHS want to start at 8 am and end at 1 pm; can we all release at 1??

Martin answers--he will have to run all the numbers for transportation--could be costlier

Henry--what is the minimum amount of flex time? 35 MIN. is tight Andrea says, would not go shorter than 30.

Teachers are feeling loss of instructional minutes--they are doing PE makeups, seeing bookkeeper, etc. We like succinct SEL though. Preferred flex 4--5x per week. 3x could be tolerated if one is longer.

Yes, we have done drills on this schedule. We have done in-class assemblies this way. Going away from whole school assemblies. Can elongate NEST and shorten the other periods.

Mitzi--what about my frenzied kid at SHS? Ami notes the classes are only 8 min shorter than they are now on this schedule.

Mark--let's talk to BSD teachers

Jen--you don't need all those credits on a 7 period; maybe we could offer some flexibility and s/he could take something less intense

Stacy--the core 4 are hardest and then kids could take 3 less intense

Andrea--there are kids who also don't want to sit for 90 min. This schedule hits both types.

Sean--lots of kids see WL as a 5th core; they might have 1 or 2 less intense classes; counseling and guidance matter

Henry--how will flex time help with that? How often do students expect to have HW on a 6? Ami says every night, but no more than 30 min. per night

Ami--her kids have 15 min. IB has 20--30 and others have made HW optional

Henry--has there ever been a discussion about depts having certain days to test and certain days to do/assign HW

Ami talks about shared IB calendar; moving to a block will mean that I teach a lesson and a half on a block day

Alicia--you can incorporate the diploma core into the 7 period day to remove stress and demands on IB diploma candidates from outside the school and put them inside the school day

Ruth-- A day/B day--lots of passion about that with about 35% of staff considering 7

Henry--no perfect schedule; a lot of good schedules in front of us that I know I can teach on; very few disliked he 4x8; lots of fear about those that they did not know well; I think there are ways to do flex on an 8 that could make it more manageable. Cites Guided Studies and the possibility of making 8th period a flex time. If you do an assembly on power hour how do you do lunch? Power hour also decreases overall minutes. I moved from Skyline to LHS and had to adjust content coverage--7 novels to 4.

Sean--planning for college in MS; they do not want to have to adjust that plan at all. Kids could not see anything they could give up.

Mitzi--sat down with son and he picked out 10 APs. Filled his fun slots with math and science. He was excited to take woodshop too. He would like to try guitar. He would drop those on a shorter day. If he has to let go of fun things it will break my heart. Over 90% of kids and parents want to keep A/B block. When do you ever get 90% of anybody on anything? 

All agree to vote on modified block and A/B block

Henry--schedule F--440 min. over two weeks--132 hours per course per year. If all kids have to do Guided Studies 8th period then that would take care of the structure. 

Jen--they do not want a 4 day block.

Ami--concurs, but see it's an interesting compromise between the two we are talking about 4x8 and 7 per mod block.

Henry--what if we took power hour out? Would 20 students in advisory work?

Andrea--85 min of flex is a bit too much for me. This would have to be more structured i.e. a study hall or period.

Sean--loves the idea of a small group of 12--15 kids per teacher and we cannot do that with our current facility.

Ruth--flex time is on your mind--how to do it? Do we want to look at 4 day mod block? Next time we vote. Closed ballot.

Jen--are we in agreement that the 7 period days would have flex in them?

Andrea--no flex on an 8 period day!

Almy--are these the three finalists? We'd like to bring these 3 back vetted through contract, 1080 hours, minutes, contact time, etc. Martin will also bring back Wed. update on 8 am start.